Welcome everyone to the Craft & Draft podcast! We are so excited to bring you what we love, talking with you about workshop, literacy, writing, reading, and real world teaching.

First off in this episode, Pam asks Jacob about his puppy. Then Jacob tells a goat story…

And then the duo go off on a journey to discuss why workshop teaching is taking a backseat in the conversation—and in some circles—being completely bashed by people who are disregarding the practice.

Lots of discussion, laughter, and insight in this episode of Craft & Draft.

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